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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:06 am

So like the Dyson vacuum cleaner of biological air pumps... A compression pump wouldn't work... so either you need multiple or take a couple nauts off make it multiple cilia lined tubes with valves to direction the flow. If the tubes gradually got smaller, therorhetically I suppose enough thrust could be made to lift and move a light creature at high speeds, and with a rider at medium speeds.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:18 am

Lift isn't a problem - most airborne Novusvitan life makes use of methane-filled sacks. Smile


Continuous propoltion's the real issue. Your idea just gave me one. What about ripple-type movements of the tube (still getting thinner), sort of like sped-up gut contraction, that pushes the air toward the tiny exit?
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:00 pm

Like an esophagus...? I suppose that would work now it would be pulses, but if fast enough would give propulsion.

I suppose this needs more investigating...
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:40 am

Yap.


I can imagine that, if the ripple/pulse/contraction/things are fast enough (which would need a lot of energy, probably meaning that the flying creatures would eat a lot, which would also provide their floatation sacks with methane), it could create quite a powerful jet. Then, rudder-like wing-things on the creature would allow for stearing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:39 am

I do believe we just finished the question in the thread... Soooo...

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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:56 am

Yay. 8D
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:46 am

Glad I could somewhat help...

Now... to look for something that needs to be thought of and I could help with...
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:00 pm

Yay indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:24 pm

Just look around. There's bound to be things. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:49 pm

Just saying, any and all theories presented here would require completely rebuilding a good deal of already existing creatures to be able to fit an esophagus-like mechanism while also having room for methane sacks that could feasibly lift the creature and its rider.

And also, after you get to the size of something like a cat, your sacks have to be incredibly large just to lift it. Something capable of holding a Xen'vi or human on its body, let alone lifting it, would need to be the size at least of a large dog and have methane sacks somewhere in the size vicinity of a small swimming pool.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:15 pm

Simple explanation: Magic. :O
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:58 am

geekus_sapiens wrote:
Just saying, any and all theories presented here would require completely rebuilding a good deal of already existing creatures to be able to fit an esophagus-like mechanism while also having room for methane sacks that could feasibly lift the creature and its rider.

And also, after you get to the size of something like a cat, your sacks have to be incredibly large just to lift it. Something capable of holding a Xen'vi or human on its body, let alone lifting it, would need to be the size at least of a large dog and have methane sacks somewhere in the size vicinity of a small swimming pool.
Firstly, MOST flying Xen'vi creatures are called "floaters" for a reason. They came with sacks attached. And only those that came with jets attached have then, though a few of their jet orifices may need changing.

Secondly, we've already established that Novusvita's gravity is, well, lower than Earth's and the atmosphere is thicker. Plus propulsion + wing-thingies = lift also applies with creatures that are used as mounts.

Those do not include flyers such as the Sieran Vampire, which uses wing-beating for flight.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:07 am

Okay. So change it from small swimming pool to a smaller small swimming pool.

Maybe two the size of bathtubs. At a stretch. Still pretty cumbersome.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:12 am

Also, they'll be moving!


Is there any more boyant-in-air gas we can use?
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:03 am

Told you they needed lift...

Hydrogen Gas is the lightest gas... Just so you know.

Funny thing Element #1 is the lightest, and Element #0 is the heaviest.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:03 am

*Googles Element #0*


Yeah, whatever.

Any way biological processes could produce hydrogen?
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:36 am

Lolz, Element zero is Neutronium. And consists entirely of Neutrons.

Well... All food contains hydrogen, and it would be produced because of it. But in small amounts. Water could theoretically be turned into Hydrogen with a catalyst(Lithium or another Akaline Metals [Sodium, Potassium, Rubidium), or bacterium. But Hydrogen atoms are so small they would escape slowly from any containment.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:30 am

Well, I assume that feeding will allow for the lost hydrogen to be replaced.


Would those possible catalysts be found naturally in Novusvita's soil?
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:47 am

Potassium and Rubidium are found in nature and are absorb-able into ones body without poisoning occurring. Thought it would be in small amounts, (which is good, as both of them are very reactive with water.) The catalyst would create a large amount of Hydrogen gas fairly quickly, though we would have to be careful not to make it explode in a ball of fiery fire.

Potassium is found in Bananas and Potatoes (helps with cramps...). I think Rubidium might be found in the soil, in small amounts.

Though I may mention, breathing hydrogen is dangerous, it reacts with the air in your lungs and turns it into water... Which can kill you if exposed to large amounts.

And as you probably know Sodium is very poisonous. So is chlorine. So changing salt into Sodium isn't a good idea.
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:16 am

Awesome.


Okay, we won't use salt.


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...though we would have to be careful not to make it explode in a ball of fiery fire...
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:40 am

Fire breathing Iga beasts :O
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:46 pm

... Too bad there are no guns hunh? No dragons, no Godzilla monstas, no crazy mutations of lizards... PLZ!
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:58 pm

Screw around with the floaters so that you can use them as GRENADES THAT EXPLODE IN FIERY AWESOMENESS!
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:30 pm

Now that I am OK with... as essential they are...
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PostSubject: Re: The Biological Jets - The method of propulsion shared by much airborne Novusvitan life   Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:18 am

Question: Would the hydrogen-filled floaters still combust in a carbon dioxide atmosphere?
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