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PostSubject: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:26 pm

5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)

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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:06 am

Lol. Okay.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:47 pm

So. What are these machines that the Iga'Vi are supposed to have?
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:44 am

War ships, tank-like things, cannons on wheals, etc.

Other transport includes wildlife such as bigger and more brutish relatives of the Skylar, "horses" and Behemoths (see the species list/archive/thing), all normally equipped with incredibly light, yet incredibly strong armour and weapons such as rather large cross-bows, cannons and steam-driven guns.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:11 pm

Are crossbows very prevalent as hand held weapons or are they just Scorpion and Ballista style weapons?
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:42 pm

Both. The Ballista types are mainly found on Behemoths (which I am planing to rename) and war vehicles.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:31 am

Tank-like things? Sounds scary...
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:10 am

You bet.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:34 pm

For some reason I was imagining Steampunk tanks... Maybe its just me and my absolute fascination with steam-powered walkers. Ofcourse this was also mixed with my strange ability to put Asian references on everyting, so these walkers were armed with Chinese rockets with a Napalm variant. But this is just me, I doubt this is even likely to be had on any planet...

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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:28 am

Garry's Mod is awesome.

Steam punk tanks sound epic.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:56 am

Agreed. We must have armored vehicles.

Now for functional reasons, I'd put it at below WWI standards because of the rest of technological progress. Perhaps a wheeled vehicle, (very) small cannon, more of a moving shield then tank, otherwise loading the gun would be impossible. Nothing large could be made since the steam engine can't be very well designed this early on in its developement. But a moving shield with a small cannon carried around inside it with other soldiers could work well. I suppose with multiple engines they could make good-sized vehicles though. Not fast certainly but well armored. They could only fire the cannon stationary though. I fully support the armored vehicles though.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:56 am

Balu and Lichen both basically just summarised Iga's tanks, but without the details.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:53 pm

And any in-closed vehicles would be miniature hells for their occupants. They'd also need a way to fuel the heat for the steam....

Could the Guns be fired with pressure made of gas simply being rapidly emitted? Or perhaps also with large amounts of heat along with the reaction.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:19 am

Dunno. We still have the question of fire and combustion in a CO2 atmosphere hanging.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:52 pm

Fire can't exist without oxygen so there will be no fire.

Now other chemical reactions that produce rapidly large amounts of heat or gas will work.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:55 am

You sure? I remeber somewhere you suggested a few other reactions but I can't remember any.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:59 am

Tanks? maybe a cannon like thing with some armour, not a tank because this is the 1500s tech wise
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:14 pm

Er, I can't remember them myself, other then Magnesium and something...

but then that I now learn needs a flame to start it.

Okay I found a Thermite reaction with Iron Oxide and Aluminum. Now we need Rust basically which requires Oxygen I don't know how much.

I feel that we could stretch the truth here, this is a science fiction novel and even the best writers stretch it every once in a while. Such as H. G. Wells in describing "The Time Machine". We could simply say, the Iron Oxide is for some reason available even though there isn't as much Oxygen for so and so reasons.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:18 am

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Tanks? maybe a cannon like thing with some armour, not a tank because this is the 1500s tech wise
That doesn't apply to the whole planet, dude. Each clan is at a different tech level. And even there the tech levels can't fully compare to human tech levels.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:25 pm

Well, the different clans would rapidly try and reproduce each other's technology. It's part of the nature to survive, if it helps others do it yourself. Just because the Moors used cannons in Iberia didn't mean the English witnesses of the battle never considered using those cannons. If the person next to you finds a way to crack a nut you'll do the same.

They can easily have different tech levels but unless there are major barriers (Jungle for the Svia'Vi, Environment for the Tundra clans, Separation for the Qua'A'Vi) they will adopt each other's technology pretty quickly. The Iga'Vi could have much better cannons then say the Valiero'Vi but the Valiero'Vi will certainly adopt cannons if they work and eventually figure out how to make better cannons.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:47 pm

LichenDragon wrote:
Fire can't exist without oxygen so there will be no fire.

Now other chemical reactions that produce rapidly large amounts of heat or gas will work.

There is oxygen, just not alot of it... You are correct though, fire is a problem. Unless you have a flammable object that emits Oxygen as it burns... how this would work though is beyond me...

Which is why I suggest steam cannons, or we could go with compressed atmosphere.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:42 pm

Where do you get the steam? And how do they compress the atmosphere?
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:04 pm

I see three choices here...
1: A far fetched point where an animal creates powerful exothermic reactions within its body, perhaps a Mineralite, (Radioactive, Piezoelectric, or Phosphoric in Origin?), this is used to heat a boiler. The rest is Obvious. Anything that generates a large amount of heat is good enough.

2: A Liquid/Air Compression pump; It compresses the air with a rotational air pump and stores it.

3: Make something up that seems possible. Because scientists do not know all of the possible reactions Carbon Dioxide environments it is entirely possible to think of a slightly possible reaction Carbon could have.

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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:23 pm

I say 3.
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PostSubject: Re: 5 Real Historical Death Stars (Complete With Baffling Flaws)    Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:37 am

I really like the steam idea.
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