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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:33 pm

Good job on this on lichen!
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:38 am

Nice.


As for the Aari, the answer to your question is no.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:15 pm

Er, why not?
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:06 am

Because they share most of said territory with other nations. Alies are much more preferable than enemies, you know, so why create enimies by taking the land of those who could be allies?
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:00 am

Well, when you have allies, they like you to help them in war. Any alliance makes you a target to the nation attacking your ally. The Venetians tried extremely hard to stay neutral during the Mediterranean Wars against the Ottomans but just like everyone else they got dragged in when their ally (The Papacy) shoved in just about every nearby Catholic nation to war.

You can't stay neutral or allies with everyone. Your today's trade partners will be invading you the next. Infact of all the nations they're the most likely to require fortifications just about everywhere. Trading profits nations and those nations' enemies don't want that. Not to mention pirates.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:02 am

So no major naval battles? There has to be at least one.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:33 am

Where did you get that from? There's even a naval battle in the works somewhere down near the bottom of the first page of posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:54 am

Aren't there something like three?


And the Aari are alies with practically everyone, save for Tita and Iga. Especially not Iga.

Anyway, they aren't an empire and do not consider the land they inhabbit outside of their territory fully theirs. Fullstop.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:55 am

ok Tv, its just that Sentient beings (Like Humans) always want to claim as much territory as possible. Think about the Romans, the mongols, the British, and Napoleonic france. If the Xen'vi are almost as adaptable as humans, then they would want more territory
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:49 am

These are not humans. Just because they're sentient does not mean that they thing the same way we do. Their brains work differently and they percieve things differently.

The only clan whose motive is really to gain territory is the Iga'vi.

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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:15 am

Why?

But I digress.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:57 am

Because I say so. (Best reason ever.)

Anyway, where were we? Ah, yes. Naval battles. I think.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:55 pm

Ok, just saying intelligence means new tech, which can lead to war....
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:09 am

I've always been interested in the possibility of an alien race without war.

Just thought I'd put that here... it's a better place then any right...
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:18 am

I guess.

It's just that diplomacy is always a better option than war. It's common sense. Just because humans are stupid doesn't mean that all sentient beings are, right? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:12 pm



Yes it does.

While we'll certainly be different (assuming there are) I think the basic instincts of any social animal is to rise to the top. That way you get the mates. To pass on the rise to the top idea. War is much easier then diplomacy.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:22 pm

In that view, war is very much more simple than diplomacy. War- you kill the other guy. Diplomacy- you negotiate a long, stressful, and often ineffective series of compromises with the other guy while he arranges for your assasination that night.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:18 pm

I mean war obviously involves more effort in a lot of ways but think about it, do you agree about your differences or do you blast those suckers? We're just inclined to do it because it's destroying both a stranger (which are bad evolutionary) and a competitor. (Which are also very bad)
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:58 am

And if Novusvita followed Darwinian evolution, unless the Xen'vi have gone incredibly out of their way to all be vegans (which is almost impossible, given the rather obvious inewqualities between the major civs), it's not going to work like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:35 am

The Aari are only one clan, people. Neutral

Really, give me one really good reason why they'd want to take territory from another clan and cause a war if they could just as well share it?
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:57 am

Social issues, full access to land, competition over key areas, complete control over area in case of war, competition to own trade, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:42 am

LichenDragon wrote:
Social issues
Like?

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full access to land
To do what with?

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competition over key areas
Such as?

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complete control over area in case of war
Why would you need complete control? Sharing territory doesn't prohibit them from building cities or using the resaurces. The only scenario that would make this point of yours valid would be if the nation they share the territory with were to go to war with them, which would be highly unlikely, considering their mutual relationship.

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competition to own trade
You act as though being the best is the aim of every sentient being. =_= Survival is the logical aim of every sentient being.

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etc.
And...?



Guys, really. Why the hell would you invade a nation that has done absolutely nothing to you just to gain more land when the option to share it mutually is still open?

Note: The above statement does not apply to the west Aari-Iga border because, in that case, the Iga are the invasive ones and the Aari really don't like them. The sharing thing basically only applies to the Svia, Jay and Tita coastal areas.

Also, somewhere I think I said the Aari and Tita are enemies. I retract that statement. Though they aren't the best of friends, the Tita do allow the Aari to inhabit their southern coastal area as long as they keep to themselves.

Finally, I'd like to add this: What law of nature forces all sentient life to think the same way we do? Perhaps the Xen'vi generally have a much higher EQ that humans do. Perhaps they are not the arogant, selfish, inconsiderate *swearwords* that humans have turned out to be.

So, let the Aari have their territory as their territory and the land they share with other nations remain the land they share with other nations.
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:25 am

A sentient race that's not evil? That's not possible...
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:04 pm

Even non-sentients wage wars. Chimps wage wars, and they aren't sentient.
Look, the logic of speacies is to survive. Look at Bacteria, they have been around longer then any life form, but they aren't sentient. If you look at non- sentient and sentient beings, their goal is to become dominant.
Think about this, sentientiance, in my opinion is a "virus" that causes creatures to want to become dominant. Creatures that get intelligence always want domination. Wolfs, birds, primates, and many other animals fight for domination. It makes sense that a speacies with a lanquage, goverment, housing, etc. would have wars
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PostSubject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period   Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:09 pm

You don't see chimps throwing people into vats of boiling molasses, or pits of venomous insects, do you?
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