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PostSubject: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:45 am

Here's a rough image of a general Duomembrana Carcera (formerly Imperia) cell done in MS Paint:



In the Duomembrana cell, these are basically three parts (please accept any remaining references to "Imperia" as "Duomembrana", instead):

-The Cell Wall - This double membrane structure is selectively permiable and contains bubble-like organelles which basically substitute for plastids (all types), mitochondria, lisosomes and vacuoles (all types). These bubble-like bodies are called Ebulloids (derived from the Latin for "bubbles") and have the ability to morph into any of the others when needed. Within the cell wall, granuals of... stuff can also be found between the Ebulloids. I don't know what they are yet - I just thought that's something you'd find there. The jelly-like fluid found between the double membrane, Ebulloids and granuals is called the Exoplasm. Most cell-prosseses involving storage, nutrition and energy production takes place in the cell wall.

-The Cell Cavity - This is the large, fluid-filled interior of the cell. It contains a substance simmilar to sitoplasm and the interior organells. Prosseses such as protein synthesis takes place within the Cell Cavity.

-The Nucleus - Much like nuclei in Eukaryotes on Earth, the Imperia nuclei contain the genetic code of the individual and controll the prosseses of the cells. Unlike Eukaryotes, Imperia cells aren't limited to a single nucleus. There are up to seven or more in some cells, though one is still the norm. Nuclei within a cell are "fastened" to the interior cell wall and other nuclei via "strands" simmilar to the endoplasmic reticuli of Eukaryote cells on Earth.



Here is a rough, labelled MS Paint image of the cell wall, including the Ebulloids:



Now, a bit more on the Ebulloids. All Ebulloids have a double membrane. In most, this is barely noticable, as the membranes are squeezed tightly onto each other by the lack of... stuff between them. However, in Ebulloids such as the lisosome-subs, the space between the membranes "inflates" and becomes filled with... stuff, creating a tough wall. There are normally no structures within the Ebulloids (save perhaps for the mitochondria-subs' cristea-subs, and the chloroplast-subs' thylacoid subs, both created by the inner membrane) and they usually only contain the fluids/material stored or used within them (chlorophyll/pigment/starch/enzimes/etc.) They have a highly maluable and almost amoebal structure and are able to slip past one another, rearange and move around in the cell wall.

Here are the diffirent types of Ebulloid:

-Protobulloid - Proplastid sub - Spawned from the cell wall's outer membrane folding in on itself - later able to become any of the other types of Ebulloid.
-Etiobulloid - Etioplast sub - Ebulloids that are to become Chlorobuloids. Aids in the initial production of pigment.
-Chlorobulloid - Chloroplast sub - Contains chlorophyll for photosinthesis - inner membrane spawns thylacoid-subs. Mainly found in flora.
-Chromobulloid - Chromoplast sub - Contains pigment that provides cell with colour.
-Leucobulloid - Leucoplast sub - Basic storage unit.
-Proteinobulloid - Protienoplast sub - Stores protien.
-Elaiobulloid - Elaioplast sub - Stores fat.
-Amylobulloid - Amyloplast sub - Stores starch.
-Statobulloid - Statolith Sub - Gives one side of cell greater weight than the other, allowing for a sence of gravity. Mainly found in flora.
-Vacuobulloid - Central Vacuole sub - Maintains cell's structure by storing water - becomes largest Ebulloids. Mainly found in flora.
-Ponderabulloid - Contractile Vacuole sub - Ejects unwanted fluids and maintains a suitable fluid concentration within the cell.
-Nutriobulloid - Food Vacuole sub - A bubble containing a captured food particle. Food captured by outer membrane of cell wall engulphing the said particle, before folding in on itself as a new Ebulloid. not spawned from a proplastid sub - later able to become one.
-Lisobulloid - Lisosome sub - Digests food particles captured in food vacuole subs and aids in cell-selfdestruction when needed. Attaches to Nutriobulloid during "digestion". Gives inner membrane of Nutriobulloid. Has a thick double membrane to keep in potent enzimes.
-Pneumbulloid - Mitochondria sub - Responcible for cell respiration and energy release using oxygen produced in the Chlorobuloid or Converbuloid. Has a madly folded inner membrane (cristea-subs).
-Convobulloid - Extracts oxygen from carbon cioxide using silica and some or other form of enzime, perhaps. Produces ceramic glass beads secreted for use as protection against the semi-acidic atmosphere.
-Exobulloid - An ebulloid, containing whatever, which is ejected out of the cell and into the outside. These external boddies are able to merge with other cells or break down in the outside. They can be used to transmit messages and... stuff. To eject the ebulloid, the outer membrane of the cell wraps around it before breaking off. Thus, Exobulloids have a tripple membrane.



And now for the interior organelles (these are the organelles found in the cell cavity):

-Endobulloid - Vescicle sub - Endobulloids are tripple
membraned bubbles within the cell cavity, formed in the same way as the
exobulloid. They aid in fluid transfer to and from organelles and the
outside and are able to remerge with the cell wall.
-Replicoid - (Aka Replisome) Technically a temporary part of the inner cell membrane, the replicoids are small bumps that form on the inside of the inner cell membrane.
Within these bumbs, the matter is arranged to form any of the other interior organelles (excluding Endobulloids). The replicoid then breaks off the inner cell
membrane in the form of said organelle and drifts into the cell cavity.
The only exception is the ER, where the replicoid coils out and
elongates untill it comes in contact with a nucleus.
-Endoplasmic Reticulum - Unlike the ER in Eukaryoticcellson Earth, the ER in Imperia cells are long strands of cell matter that normally extend from the nucleus to the inner cell membrane and vice versa. They are thin tubules containing a saluted liquid
within a permiable membrane. They play an important role in protein
synthesis and nuclear division and transmit electrical signals between
the nucleus and the cell wall. During nuclear division, an ER will form
between the split nuclei from the nuclear membrane.
-Ribosome - Does what ribosomes do on Earth.
-Mitosome - These are tiny blubbous organelles that are both responcible for
creating and maintaining the cytoskeleton protein chains and play a huge
role during cell division. During mitosis, mitosomes expand and latch
on to the inner cell membrane in a ring. They then move inward, forming a
thin double membrane through the centre of the cell. Once in the
centre, the mitosomes invert themselves into the interior of this
membrane and form what will become the new outer membranes. At the end
of the prosses, they themselves are part of the new exoplasm. (I'll make a diagram later.)



And finally the exterior organelles (these are organelles which can be found on the exterior cell membrane):

-Cilia - Fine hair-like structures that allow for movement and sometimes subtance intake.
-Flagellum - Tail-like structures that allow for speedy movement.
-Cnidocyte - Named after the harpoon-like stinging cells in Cridarians on Earth, cnidocytes are sack-like circular folds in the outer membrane which contain an emencely thin coil, attached to the membrane at the base. When stimulated, the coil fires out in a harpoon-like fasion and pumps out material from an ebulloid bellow. For example, the cell could come in contact with a cell of th same size or larger, then attack it with a cnidocyte. The cnidocyte will then inject enzimes from a lisobulloid below and digest the prey cell while the cnidocyte coil holds on to it. The digested matter can then be easily obsorbed.
-Eyespot Apparatus - Light sensitive patches on the outer membrane.
-Myofillium - These are rubbery strands of actin, myosin and nebulin that normally lie just below the outer cell membrane. They are only found in the muscle cells of multicellular organisms and allow for muscle contraction.




Here's a quick look at energy production within the cell walls of Imperia cells:



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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:09 am

Help with... What? I say make the internal space simply a storage space or even just empty but for plasma.

And are any parts of the cells made of bacteria/liquiphite/mineralla?
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:13 am

One could say the interior is still reminiscent of Liquiphites.


Basically, I need to know if there's anything else I need, that could possibly go into the cell cavity.

How would mitosis work with this if there's no sentrosome sub? Do we need robisomes or is there some other way to make protein?

And what could those black granual things be?
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:28 am

Hold on, I need to go break out my 6th grade science notes....


If Wikipedia is truly truthful then you pretty much need Ribosomes because the basic proteins used to make complex proteins are called Ribosomes also.

I'm no genius here, but it looks like you'll have to fine a substitute for centrosomes because the micro-tubes play a major part of mitosis.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:05 am

Ribosome subs will be included, then. Are there any alternate forms than the tiny orbs that are everywhere?

And the inner membrane of the cell wall could take on the role of the Golgi Apparatus, if needed.

What if we change the means of mitosis?
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:07 am

Hmm...

How to change cutting something in half... Tricky....

I suppose that's pretty simple, have the nuclei be split by perhaps an organelle producing a sheet that divides them... Which is what basically already happens but could be different.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:37 am

Okay, then, here are the internal organelles:


-Endobulloid - Endobulloids are tripple membraned bubbles within the cell cavity, formed in the same way as the exobulloid. They aid in fluid transfer to and from organelles and the outside and are able to remerge with the cell wall.
-Replicoid - Technically a temporary part of the inner cell membrane, the replicoids are small bumps that form on the inside of the inner cell membrane. Within these bumbs, the matter is arranged to form any of the other interior organelled. The replicoid then breaks off the inner cell membrane in the form of said organelle and drifts in the cell cavity. The only exception is the ER, where the replicoid coils out and elongates untill it comes in contact with a nucleus.
-Endoplasmic Reticulum - Unlike the ER in Eukaryoticcellson Earth, the ER in Imperia cells are long strands of cell matter that normally extend from the nucleus to the inner cell membrane. They are thin tubules containing a saluted liquid within a permiable membrane. They play an important role in protein synthesis and nuclear division and transmit electrical signals between the nucleus and the cell wall. During nuclear division, an ER will form between the split nuclei from the nuclear membrane.
-Ribosome - Does what ribosomes do on Earth.
-Mitosome - These are tiny blubbous organelles that are both responcible for creating and maintaining the cytoskeleton protein chains and play a huge role during cell division. During mitosis, mitosomes expand and latch on to the inner cell membrane in a ring. They then move inward, forming a thin double membrane through the centre of the cell. Once in the centre, the mitosomes invert themselves into the interior of this membrane and form what will become the new outer membranes. At the end of the prosses, they themselves are part of the new exoplasm.



Edit: Okay, I added the above to the OP as well as a few possible external organelles and a pic of the cell wall showing all types of ebulloid.


Here's a thought: By what means, other that photosynthesis, can carbon dioxide be turned into oxygen? Or rather, how can oxygen be extracted from CO2 without the need for sunlight?
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:21 am

I'd help, but biology...
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:12 am

Biology what?


The main thing, right now, is finding a way for the Convobulloid to work. As in oxygen extraction from carbon dioxide using a natural, non-body produced energy saurce that's not sunlight.



Edit: I figured it out. SiO2 (Silica / Sand) + CO2 = SiCO (Ceramic Glass - used in bone formation, perhaps?) and O2 (oxygen!! Pleasantly Surprised ).

Now how would the ebulloid doing that look like??
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:17 pm

Perhaps an organelle produces a fluid that melts the center of the cell and divides it? What i mean is the nucleus should have indentical heredity material (DNA) on both sides of the nucleus. An organelle can produce the fluid that can melt the center and cause it to split in half.
I don't konw just an idea. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:13 pm

Welcome again Galactic.

For you Dudeman I don't think glass would make a good body material for fast moving animals, it's too brittle. Perhaps the SiCO is simply shorn off the cells into the blood stream where they collect in an organ to be expelled by some means. Glass really doesn't belong in complex, water based animals.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:51 pm

I'd help, but... I know nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:59 pm

I don't have much will try to infer. It's what I've been doing. And Google, Google also.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:20 pm

... I don't see how I will be much help, the only thing I understood was Mitochondria and Endoplasmic Reticulum. I am not good when it comes to things in between things that are very very small and very big. Chemical makeups and physics are mainly my strong-points.

What does a ribosomes do again? Is that the thing that takes the RNA and turns it into Amino acids in Proteins?

I Wanna live in a cell, it seems like it would be fun...
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:34 pm

SiCO would not work as a bone substance unless in very small amounts. It could, however, depending on its shape and size when excreted from the cell, be able to aid in digestion. Or cause a number of lacerations inside the stomach.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:36 pm

I'm thinking the latter.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:04 pm

Maybe if there were a small dedicated organ (small) to press all these units of SiCO into small (marble sized) spheres or ellipsoids, it would aid in the physical digestion of solid food, much like the stones that large dinosaurs would swallow to crunch around their tougher foods. As they are, though, I agree. It would end up either lacerating the digestive organs in question or simply clogging the excrement process.

Speaking of which, I don't know the details on that. I should go look it up so I'm not pursuing a wild herring or a red goose.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:26 pm

For herbivores that's a realistic adaptation, not so much usefulness for carnivores judging by their lack of stone eating. But the balls of glass would be easier to pass compared shards of glass.

It'd be like marbles instead of broken glass.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:02 pm

I am just going to leave this alone...
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:44 am

Well, the waste has to be used for something. I don't like being wasteful.

By the way, here's a quite look at cellular energy production in the Imperia cell:



Where could the energy for the Convobulloids come from??



@Galactic: The Mitobulloids already have that covered, thanks. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:24 pm

All Imperia are photosynthetic?
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:20 am

Nope, only the Photosyntha trilaterrals.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:25 am

I have no idea where the energy would come from.
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:11 am

Excess heat energy produced by digestion? No. That can't account for unicellular hytorotrophs, then... Hmmmmm... Thought
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PostSubject: Re: The Duomembrana Carcera Cell   Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:58 am

Wait... Does the reaction really even need energy? If we can find the right, easily accessable chemichals to act as catalyst for the reaction, energy may not be needed.


I also worked out what happends to the ceramic glass produced in the reaction: It remains in the convobulloid as deposition from the reactions untill the ebulloid so so filled with it that it can no longer function. At this point the resulting ceramic glass bead is ejected by the convobulloid temporarily acting sort of like a ponderabulloid. The beads can then be either ejected as waste, or can be incorporated into different parts of multicellular organisms' boddies as digestive pellets (herbivore stomache stones), armour-like deposition on the skin or whatever else.

OR.

The depleted convobulloid can sort of merge with the exterior cell membrane. This will eventually form a sort of armour of ceramic glass beads.


I like the idea of the organisms having a thin glass armour (in the form of microscopic beads; thus not sharp)) in either or both cases, because the atmosphere is semi-acidic. The ceramic glass armour can thus act asa sort of protection.

Organisms with this barely noticable ceramic glass coating will have a really smooth skin and will slightly twinkle, almost as if wet, in light.

Isn't that awesome?
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