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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:01 pm

I agree. The UEF should be split into two groups. It would be a tad bit more realistic.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:28 pm

I say it could go either way. Perhaps some of the South America and Caribbean countries could be within their own union, then I believe most of the Caucasus countries will be Western Union. (they're more Christian Gravitated, I think)

United States, Mexico and Canada will certainly be with the Western Union.

If you think Georgia wouldn't join with the Western Union then Cuba would be the last to.

But I think that both countries would be pressured over time to join with the super powers around them.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:09 pm

That or be Annihilated by an unavoidable Embargo.

I am guessing some of them worked together because of a common enemy. That or the UN went power hungry, like always, and started to threaten stupid crap on the weaker countries to get them to fall into their power, EU and US probably are so used to being allies it didn't even matter. Cuba, Georgia, and North Korea I think we threatened, in fact, they were no doubt threatened. I wonder what rules for war there is now...

OMG 200+ Years! That means, Hand railguns! and other advanced weaponry.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:42 am

The federations still have like seperate states inside them, they just follow the same basic government and stuff. Sorta like the United States, I'd think.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:47 am

I think your standard gun/missile weaponry will be used on Earth while things like Rail guns and missiles will be used for any sort of space ship.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:57 am

Hold on to your hats, folks.



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  • In-sergeants are common in many places in the world as they are now. What? I even Googled that word and came up with nothing but "sergeants". Insurgents. And probably.
  • Most communist run countries have morphed into free markets. Correct. Some would probably still exist, and may even end up being successful nations by now, with 350 years to work out the kinks.
  • Religious, cultural and ethical motives make for many terrorist style attacks. Yep. Especially since most of the population has been converted to the Reformed Religions Movement, which is basically a philosophy that allows for individuals to sort of form their own faiths. Ie, believe what fits them. Of course, many extremists of "devout" religions are completely against this. This is pointing to a pretty utopian world. I think that the original religions would probably still be fairly widespread if this were to happen, and more likely it would just be wider-spread tolerance.
  • Roads and cars still make up much of our daily transportation. Actualy, AI electric cars make up about 85% percent of daily transportation. Seems like a common target for terrorism, a vast public-transportation system completely out of the control of the public except for where to go.
  • Monopolies are not uncommon in many places and economical niches. Haven't really thought about this one. Probably, I guess. Maybe. I'm not so sure that the passage of time would cause such a large backward step in the worldwide economy.
  • Nuclear power staple energy source. Along with solar and collider (taking energy from subatomic particle collisions) energy sources. You think we'd be able to get subatomic particle collisions as a viable energy source? As of now, I think the ratio of energy input to usable output in a collider is somewhere between a billion and a trillion to one, but I may be off a few quadrillion.
  • Metals used in computers and electronics very valuable. And of course whatever materials are used for Slipspace travel. Also because we've had two hundred more years to use all of the metal available, even with the added source of asteroids.


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Moral decision doesn't stop atrocities, just look at history.
Let's just say it took a while to program the AI's intoknowing what is likely to be the right decision, morally. And I cannot define the way many people acted in history as "moral".
Much of the atrocities in history were felt to be moral and completely fine to those who committed them. I don't think there is an effective way to create an AI without a human-level risk of Termination, something that, given the 'bot, could be similar to a galactic holocaust of humanity, or a just few murders and muggings in New York City.

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By what I meant with the extinct animals is that almost all non-captivity large land animals are probably doomed in the urge to feed the human population.
The answer is mainly test-tube food.
For the meat, I would agree, but there are already a number of space-saving plant growing towers being planned for at least America,
powered efficiently enough to be a viable food source. Possibly, there could be something like this for livestock, as well.

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I think as you mentioned a single currency will still be in use because there will never be a "sharing" society.
I didn't mean that's the only currency. Each state has its own. Being the largest by far (without even including the multiple colonies), the UEF's currency is considered the "main".
Probably a descendant of the Euro.

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I think that countries on continents would fuse into each other so that you have the N. American Nation to
the European Nation to the etc.
That's kinda what happened originally, but not as exact.
I would think that the Latin American nations would be their own unionm though being allies and perhaps heavily dependent upon the NATO/UN conglomerate. The Slavic union I will suggest below could possibly be in a similar state. The SW-Asia/N-Africa section of the Asian union I would expect to be its own nation. And while I'm okay with Morocco being part of it, I don't believe that India would be part of what was left of the Asian Union.

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Oh, and mass famines occurred in many Equatorial countries killing off many during the time span as global food supplies dramatically fell.
Global Warming sorta killed many off anyway, so...
In that case, how the heck do we have a population of 34.7 billion when there are childbearing laws such as they are?

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Somehow I that, even 200+ years into the future, Russia and some of the Slavic European states (Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova, in particular) would be very reluctant to join a federation with the majority of Western civilization. I also note that hostilities between Russia and Georgia make it unliklely that they would participate in the same regional bloc.

I agree. It seems like Russia and the other Slav states would be more likely to form the Pan-Slavic nation a lot of them have been trying to get for over a hundred years already. That area would certainly still be a trouble area, especially the Balkan peninsula and Trans-Caucasia. Those seem more likely to be more unfederalized states than part of the UEF or the Afra-Asian thingy whose name escapes me.


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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:02 am

@Lichen: Most ships have no weapons.


@Geekus: The AI isn't that advanced and perhaps Global Warming didn't kill them all off...
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:33 am

I don't know if you have noticed, Lichen, but the US Navy is already getting to the point of putting High Range Sabot Railguns on there Destroyers. And are probably in the process of putting them into artillery technology. I estimate twenty years before smaller rail-guns take up most all heavy weaponry, with other electric weapons taking the place of guns. Right now, the ideas are feasible, but they would require switching out all weapons. Cartridge guns are obsolete.

No doubt Human war has changed with the ability to track all of your units using the Nanobots, allowing for better strategy, and probably ways to enhance each of your units skills. This also allows for things to become safer for your allied units, because you would know who's friendly, who's not, who is dead, and who is not, and etc. Now unless I am wrong, I am thinking war would be similar to this
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:58 pm

Probably, though only when applied to warring units. On Novusvita, the last thing mankind expects is a war, thus no application there.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:26 pm

Why? You're dealing with sentient natives, war is very common in animals, especially in sentients, therefor one should be prepared to deal with hostile sentients.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:16 pm

And if Sci-Fi has taught us anything its that aliens aren't always nice.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:09 pm

I say they probably had a number of weapons, probably nothing extremely high-tech, like rifles, pistols and perhaps a few high-powered weapons.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:21 pm

But that wouldn't make any sense, we have had rifles and such for hundreds of years, why wouldn't we change them to more powerful ones if we knew how? The gun has been improved more times than anyone can count, minor changes, major changes, all of them making it better, why if we could make a weapon a hundred times better, and we have infinite resources, would we leave it be and say, "Good 'nuff", this doesn't seem logical to me.

Nearly every technological advancement has had one of two purposes, kill people faster, or heal them faster. Most of them happened in wartime, or events preparing for war. But to tell the truth, I think it is Dudemans call
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:59 pm

I personally agree with the above. I doubt that in the future we would be so naive as to believe that the life we would find would be peaceful or scarce enough to be able to handle with a mere couple of rifles.

I do, however, believe that some idiot environmentalist would legislate that the survival of the Xen'Vi was more important than that of the colonists and force them to go practically armsless.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:06 pm

I dunno, environmentalism while probably not gone would probably be pretty outweighed by the whole the Earth is pressed for "farm space" problem.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:15 pm

Yeah they would go defenseless, there would be no need to have many arms in the beginning, as the trip is so short it wouldn't even matter. They would have maybe a few troops with Light guns, but mainly it would be scientists and such. Merely escorts would be needed, incase of enemy garrisons.

Yes, but the earth being ruled by large empires, has near infinite resources, we could easily take care of the simple problems like "Environment" and "Animal Extinction". With the population exceeding a couple billion it would be easy to unite people, using Certain "Tactics". with everyone agreeing for one thing, things get done pretty fast.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:45 pm

Well, no, if those unions agreed within themselves yes it would be easy but one knows that everyone takes sides, and it's usually their own, and not others when it comes to it.

And I just found an article that could be the fine line between peace and super futuristic weaponry.

6 "Non-Lethal" Weapons That'll Make You Wish You Were Dead
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:41 am

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I do, however, believe that some idiot environmentalist would legislate that the survival of the Xen'Vi was more important than that of the colonists and force them to go practically armsless.
Guys, you completely forget why there are colonies on Novusvita in the first place: It's all in the name of science. Remember that this is the first time complex, truly Earth-like life has been discovered anywhere but on Earth. The LAST thing anyone wants to do is kill the natives. If a war starts, we'll leave (though circumstances in the novels will not exactly bode well for this plan).
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:12 am

Yes, but the earth being ruled by large empires, has near infinite
resources, we could easily take care of the simple problems like
"Environment" and "Animal Extinction". With the population exceeding a
couple billion it would be easy to unite people, using
Certain "Tactics". with everyone agreeing for one thing, things get done pretty fast.


Actually Earth will be pretty pressed for resources, particularly farm space, since the human population has boomed even further despite global environmental tragedies. Not to mention fresh water sources and metals.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:32 am

I'm sure there would be other ways for them to get those resources other then from a populated planet.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:48 am

Really now? You can't grow the food on the colonies because they're completely self dependent, and...

Well, actually I suppose considered the futuristic timeline here the colonies could easily produce extra food and if we invent space elevators then in theory we could supplement the Earth's food resources.

Then I guess we also could farm seaweed for turning into food, so while yes we could probably eat well, consider this, do you want to eat fresh lettuce and tomatoes or a green paste of algae?
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:55 pm

I don't care if the stuff has no color at all and is Brick shaped, you can put any flavor you want in it, Easily. If texture is what your worried about I'm sure they can grind it up into a weird smoothie thing.

To tell the truth I think this would work better, You could go to the store and buy these bricks of no color, which I am calling "NoName" and eat them, they would have all the vitamins, minerals, fiber, and other essential stuff, and would be flavored various flavors from "Orange" to "Chocolate". This way it is convenient to and for the people. This would take care of the bulk of society, those in poverty, and those in combat or active duty, the rest of the people could go and buy what ever food they want to. "NoName" would eradicate world hunger, remove food allergies, and save various animals from extinction.

And if you thought about it, it could easily replace real food entirely, mess with the density, the amount of hydration, the viscosity, and the flavor, you could easily make one look like a tomato, a steak, cheese, bun, etc. Think outside the box, if it is possible, viable, and realistic, it is quite likely going to happen.

Hydroponics could also solve most of the problems you have scenario-ed. Stacks upon stacks, tons upon tons, of fruit, vegetables, and grains could be created if the correct configuration and irrigation methods were figured out. Meat could be cloned if morals weren't a question, otherwise traditional methods could be possible.

In 200 or so years though I doubt you could create food out of the elements around you though. So that Idea is a bust, as well as eating Trees and bushes. Eating insects is bad, as well... Let me think of more slightly insane ideas.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:27 pm

Depends, honey ants are desert delicacies.

But you have a point. I like most of you contributions, they usually crush mine.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:29 pm

Well, thank you, yours are good to, just, well, ummm, not very open minded, I guess.

Maybe in a hundred years or two, but I am not eating any bug anytime soon.
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PostSubject: Re: The Future   Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:34 pm

They could also eat in vitro meat, made in a laboratory.
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